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Day 7

26 September 2025

Record: Official record ↗

Who testified

Subjects discussed

🏛 National Task Team Investigating Political Related Cases in KZN (2024/2025 request)👤 Adv Elaine Harrison (Director of Public Prosecutions: KwaZulu-Natal; previously Adv Elaine Zungu)🏛 National Prosecuting Authority (second pillar)🏛 Organised Crime Investigation component (SAPS)🏛 Single dedicated unit within KZN NPA👤 Adv Chaskalson SC🏛 Witness Protection Programme👤 Lt Gen Samuel Dumisani Khumalo

23 conflicts flagged on this day

◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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National Task Team Investigating Political Related Cases in KZN
A says no need for the task team's disestablishment; B says task teams must be disestablished—directly opposing positions on same action.
Day 7Adv Elaine Harrison“I did not see any need for it.”
Day 64Lieutenant General Sibiya“task teams must be disestablished”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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National Task Team Investigating Political Related Cases in KZN
Claim A says existence unresolved; Claim B asserts it exists and continues—cannot both be true of same entity/time.
Day 7Adv Harrison“there is no finality regarding the existence or nonexistence of the Political Task Team”
Day 63Lieutenant General Sibiya“you have it and it is continuing”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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National Task Team Investigating Political Related Cases in KZN
A denies any investigations can continue on court-roll matters with outstanding investigations; B affirms such cases existed with outstanding investigations.
Day 7Adv Elaine Harrison“including matters that were on the court roll but maybe there had still been some investigations that were still required to be finalised”
Day 7Adv Elaine Harrison“we did have cases which were on the court roll but there were still some investigations that were outstanding.”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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National Task Team Investigating Political Related Cases in KZN
A says existence unresolved; B asserts it definitively still exists—cannot both be true of same team.
Day 7Adv Harrison“there is no finality regarding the existence or nonexistence of the Political Task Team”
Day 36Brown Mogotsi“but the PKTT still exists.”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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National Task Team Investigating Political Related Cases in KZN
A states disbandment was effective immediately; B states you cannot do that, directly contradicting the feasibility/execution of the same disbandment.
Day 63Lieutenant General Sibiya“effective immediate in terms of the disbandment”
Day 7Adv Elaine Harrison“you cannot do that”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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National Task Team Investigating Political Related Cases in KZN
A says Minister directed disestablishment on his decision; B says Minister could not decide unilaterally—contradicts authority to do so.
Day 7Minister Mchunu“the Minister says he has made certain observations and he has decided, or rather directs that the task team be disestablished immediately”
Day 40Lieutenant General Hilda Khosi Senthumule“So, I mean that he could not just decide on his own to do it.”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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National Task Team Investigating Political Related Cases in KZN
A: no need to disestablish the task team; B: directs immediate disestablishment—opposing positions on same entity.
Day 7Adv Elaine Harrison“I did not see any need for it.”
Day 63Minister Senzo Mchunu“I therefore direct that the Political Killings Task Team be disestablished immediately”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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National Task Team Investigating Political Related Cases in KZN
A says no finality on existence; B affirmatively states the task team still existed—these directly conflict on same entity's status.
Day 7Adv Harrison“there is no finality regarding the existence or nonexistence of the Political Task Team”
Day 45Minister Senzo Mchunu“the National Killings Political Task Team was still there”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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Letter from Lt Gen Mkhwanazi to the Director of Public Prosecutions da
Same letter attributed to Mkhwanazi as Lt-Gen Provincial Commissioner vs Brigadier; rank cannot both be true simultaneously.
Day 7Adv Harrison“signed off by Lt-Gen Provincial Commissioner KwaZulu-Natal NS Mkhwanazi”
Day 56Adv Behari (Kemi)“there was a letter that Brigadier Mkhwanazi sent to the Chief of Police”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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National Task Team Investigating Political Related Cases in KZN
A says Team adds no value and should be disbanded; B says disbanding it would be counterproductive—opposite conclusions on same Team.
“My observation in this regard as indicated above is that further existence of this Team is no longer required nor is it adding any value to policing i”
Day 7Adv Elaine Harrison“to de-establish it would both be counterproductive”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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National Task Team Investigating Political Related Cases in KZN
A limits Task Team to only court-going matters; B says it attends to all reported cases, not selectively—mutually exclusive scopes.
Day 7Adv Harrison“will also be dealing only with the court-going matters”
Day 63Lieutenant General Sibiya“attending to all cases reported. All cases reported, not only selectively and others ignored”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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National Task Team Investigating Political Related Cases in KZN
A says no investigations can continue for off-roll matters; B says investigation will continue even without the team—directly opposed on continuation.
Day 7Adv Elaine Harrison“It means there are no investigations that can continue especially regarding the matters that were not on the court roll”
Day 34Lt-Col Khumalo“Be it that the team is no more there, investigation will continue.”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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Annexure D
A says Annexure D presented at 23 Aug meeting; B says it was not presented at that meeting—same entity, same event, direct contradiction.
Day 7Adv Chaskalson SC“presented at the 23 August meeting”
Day 7Adv Elaine Harrison“This was not presented at that meeting”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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National Task Team Investigating Political Related Cases in KZN
A asserts no de-establishment; B states the task team was dissolved on 2024-12-31 — cannot both be true of same team.
Day 7Adv Elaine Harrison“We continue to operate on the premise that there has been no de-establishment of the task team”
Day 45Adv Sello SC“the Political Killings Task Team is dissolved, on the 31st of December 2024”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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National Task Team Investigating Political Related Cases in KZN
A says existence unresolved/no finality; B asserts it already exists — cannot both be true of same team.
Day 7Adv Harrison“there is no finality regarding the existence or nonexistence of the Political Task Team”
Day 8Chairperson“the PKTT already exists”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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National Task Team Investigating Political Related Cases in KZN
One says no need for disestablishment; other issues directive to immediately disband the same task team—cannot both hold.
Day 7Adv Elaine Harrison“I did not see any need for it.”
“Immediately deactivate and disband the NTTPK”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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National Task Team Investigating Political Related Cases in KZN
A claims team adds no value justifying disbandment; B says disbanding destroys vast valuable work—opposing assessments of same team's value.
“My observation in this regard as indicated above is that further existence of this Team is no longer required nor is it adding any value to policing i”
Day 7Adv Elaine Harrison“also destructive of the vast amount of work that had gone into shaping the system and the structures”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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National Task Team Investigating Political Related Cases in KZN
A says no need to disestablish; B directs immediate disestablishment—contradictory positions on same task team.
Day 7Adv Elaine Harrison“I did not see any need for it.”
“the Political Killings Task Team be disestablished immediately”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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Directive 3 of 2019
Same directive dated 13 June in one claim but issued 21 June 2019 in the other; dates cannot both be the issue date.
Day 7Adv Chaskalson SC“The one at 199 is dated 13 June”
“21 June 2019”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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National Task Team Investigating Political Related Cases in KZN
Cannot both be true: no finality on whether task team exists, yet its operations are approved until Feb 2026, implying it exists and is operational.
Day 7Adv Harrison“there is no finality regarding the existence or nonexistence of the Political Task Team”
“the PKTT's operations have been approved until February 2026”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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the JCPS strategy document
A document cannot be tabled on 12 May 2018 if it was developed after a 23 August 2019 meeting; dates are irreconcilable.
Day 7Adv Elaine Harrison“It came after the meeting of 23 August”
“meeting of lhe IMC on the 12111 of May 2018”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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Annexure D
A states Annexure D was presented at the 23 August meeting; B states it was not presented at that meeting—directly contradictory.
Day 7Adv Chaskalson SC“Annexure D, which was a plan and strategy document presented at the 23 August meeting”
Day 7Adv Elaine Harrison“This was not presented at that meeting”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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Annexure B — Letter from Minister of Police Cele to NDPP Batohi dated
Entity and Claim B context specify 24 May 2019, but Claim A states the letter is dated 19 May 2019 — same letter, incompatible dates.
Day 7Adv Chaskalson SC“it is the letter from Minister Cele and it is 19 May 2019”
Day 7Adv Chaskalson SC“Annexure B, which is at page 202 of the MK12 Bundle”

Claims from this day

Evidence introduced

ExhibitTitleTypeDate
Index and E. Harrison Statement ↗witness_statement26 Sep 2025

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