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Day 109

15 May 2026

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Who testified

Subjects discussed

👤 Brown Mogotsi👤 Advocate Mohomane👤 Adv Chaskalson SC🏛 Judicial Commission of Inquiry into Allegations of State Capture, Corruption and Fraud👤 Advocate Sesi Baloyi, SC👤 Mr Vusimuzi 'Cat' Matlala👤 Suliman Carim👤 Mr. Shadrack Sibiya

17 conflicts flagged on this day

◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
KNN-3c6e39f7ddad
Lieutenant-Colonel Justice Jabulani Duma
Same person's rank stated as Colonel vs Brigadier; cannot both be true simultaneously.
Day 111Adv Sikhakhane“Colonel.”
Day 109Brown Mogotsi“He was Brigadier Duma actually”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
KNN-63074b8af7ff
Lieutenant-Colonel Justice Jabulani Duma
Both claims assign a single, different rank to the same person at the same reference point; cannot both be true.
Day 109Advocate Chaskalson SC“at the beginning we are told he was Colonel Duma”
Day 109Brown Mogotsi“He was Brigadier Duma actually”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
KNN-6e46686b0d24
Lieutenant-Colonel Justice Jabulani Duma
Claim A states rank Colonel; Claim B states rank Captain for same person Duma; cannot both be true simultaneously
Day 109Advocate Chaskalson SC“at the beginning we are told he was Colonel Duma”
Day 114Lieutenant Colonel Sibiya“Captain Duma from Crime Intelligence Unit”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
KNN-81929d9ef893
Lieutenant-Colonel Justice Jabulani Duma
Same person's rank asserted as both Lieutenant Colonel and Brigadier; cannot hold both simultaneously.
Day 111Brigadier Duma“I am a Lieutenant Colonel in the South African Police Service”
Day 109Brown Mogotsi“He was Brigadier Duma actually”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
KNN-8ca212b5ac06
Judicial Commission of Inquiry into Allegations of State Capture, Corr
A says the Commission cannot rule on apprehension of bias; B says it can make such a ruling—directly opposed on same power.
Day 109Advocate Mohomane“the Commission cannot rule on the apprehension of harm …[intervenes]”
Day 109Advocate Mohomane“the Commission can be in a position to make a ruling as to whether or not there is an apprehension of bias”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
KNN-90367e590d38
Lieutenant-Colonel Justice Jabulani Duma
Claim A states rank Brigadier, Claim B states rank Captain for same person Duma; ranks cannot both be true simultaneously
Day 109Brown Mogotsi“He was Brigadier Duma actually”
Day 114Lieutenant Colonel Sibiya“Captain Duma from Crime Intelligence Unit”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
KNN-b4a47e2867e3
Lieutenant-Colonel Justice Jabulani Duma
Same person's rank stated as both Colonel and Lieutenant Colonel; these are distinct ranks that cannot both be current simultaneously.
Day 109Advocate Chaskalson SC“at the beginning we are told he was Colonel Duma”
Day 111Brigadier Duma“I am a Lieutenant Colonel in the South African Police Service”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
NLI-11a40fc3e542
Mr Madimpe Mogashoa
One denies he has standing to depose the affidavit; the other affirms he is a witness providing that affidavit—directly opposed.
Day 109Advocate Baloyi SC“Mr Mogashoa lacks locus standi to depose to an affidavit”
Day 109Advocate Hassim SC“Mr Mogashoa is a witness here in providing this affidavit”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
NLI-141b744344ed
Brown Mogotsi
He offered to provide information on Carrim but then turned out not to have that kind of information; both can't be true.
Day 109Advocate Baloyi SC“offer Mr Chaskalson information on Mr Carrim”
Day 109Advocate Baloyi SC“Mr Mogotsi turns out he does not have that kind of information”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
NLI-1833b62b5235
Lieutenant-Colonel Justice Jabulani Duma
A states Duma is dead; B describes Duma as a live witness testifying in camera—cannot both be true simultaneously.
Day 109Advocate Chaskalson SC“Brigadier Duma, who used to be Colonel Duma, is also dead”
Day 111Adv Sikhakhane“the witness who is the one who is in camera or partially in camera. And that is Colonel Duma”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
NLI-215c82f60f9b
Brown Mogotsi
He claims he is not refusing to answer, yet states he will not answer the question—directly contradictory about same conduct.
Day 109Brown Mogotsi“No, Chair, I am not refusing to answer questions.”
Day 109Advocate Mohomane“His response thereto is that he will not incriminate himself any further, thus will not answer the question.”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
NLI-48993e16f5ca
Brown Mogotsi
Both describe current friendship status; 'friends' vs 'not friends now' cannot both be true at present.
Day 109Brown Mogotsi“That is correct.”
Day 109Brown Mogotsi“No, not”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
NLI-6c3f3a7b16f7
Mr Madimpe Mogashoa
One claim asserts he lacks standing to depose; the other accepts he has standing to speak for the Commission—directly opposed on same standing question.
Day 109Advocate Baloyi SC“Mr Mogashoa lacks locus standi to depose to an affidavit”
Day 109Advocate Baloyi SC“I understand the applicant to accept that he has standing to speak on behalf of the Commission”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
NLI-6e146822881e
Lieutenant-Colonel Justice Jabulani Duma
Claim A says Duma is dead; Claim B refers to him as a current in-camera witness testifying—cannot both be true simultaneously.
Day 109Brown Mogotsi“May his soul rest in peace. No, it is true, he has passed on”
Day 111Adv Sikhakhane“the witness who is the one who is in camera or partially in camera. And that is Colonel Duma”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
NLI-81929d9ef893
Lieutenant-Colonel Justice Jabulani Duma
Same person's rank stated as both Brigadier and Lieutenant Colonel; cannot hold both ranks simultaneously.
Day 109Brown Mogotsi“He was Brigadier Duma actually”
Day 111Brigadier Duma“I am a Lieutenant Colonel in the South African Police Service”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
NLI-aba2d3335150
Brown Mogotsi
A requests meetings outside the office; B states meetings occurred at his office—directly opposing on same referent.
Day 109Advocate Chaskalson SC“I want a location outside the office”
Day 109Brown Mogotsi“even at the office, at his office”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
NLI-c270703ac250
Mr Madimpe Mogashoa
One asserts Mogashoa lacks locus standi to depose; the other affirms he has it—directly opposing claims about the same capacity.
Day 109Advocate Baloyi SC“Mr Mogashoa lacks locus standi to depose to an affidavit”
Day 109Advocate Hassim SC“Indeed, and to oppose the application”

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