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Day 113

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Who testified

Subjects discussed

👤 Lt-Col (now Col) Gavin Jacob👤 Brigadier Campbell Nyuswa👤 Warrant Officer Mpangase👤 Advocate Sesi Baloyi, SC👤 Adv Mahlape Sello SC👤 Warrant Officer Setshedi🏛 South African Police Service🏛 Forensic Science Laboratory (FSL)

19 conflicts flagged on this day

◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
KNN-10a9e9fd4ded
Lt-Col
Jacob instructed different destinations for transporting exhibits: Port Shepstone vs Isipingo SAPS, contradicting each other.
Day 142Warrant Officer Mpangase“I was instructed by Colonel Jacob that we should book the out and transport them to Port Shepstone.”
Day 113Adv Baloyi SC“Colonel Jacob informed us that the exhibit must be transported to Isipingo SAPS”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
KNN-729ed1279922
CJC242 / ANNEXURE S2
Same first file number reference given as 193 vs 195 — cannot both be true.
Day 113Adv Sello SC“it should be 193”
Day 113Chairperson“The very first CJC there is 195”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
KNN-8694fbff918f
Lt-Col
A says he shifted/placed the decision onto another person; B says he himself took the decision — contradictory on who decided.
Day 113Colonel Jacob“I put the decision on him, Chair.”
Day 113Colonel Jacob“I took a decision”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
KNN-9bf4c3cf5190
Lt-Col
Same person on same matter: one says all avenues were exhausted, the other admits factually they were not.
Day 113Colonel Jacob“Factually, no, sir.”
Day 113Colonel Jacob“I had exhausted all avenues”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
KNN-d7049796ae7a
Lt-Col
Following an instruction (acting on another's order) contradicts taking a decision (exercising own discretion) for the same action.
Day 113Colonel Jacob“I followed an instruction”
Day 113Colonel Jacob“I took a decision”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
KNN-ef5f74c6f966
CJC242 / ANNEXURE S2
Same file's number stated as 193 and 195; cannot both be the file's number.
Day 113Adv Sello SC“it should be 193”
Day 113Adv Sello SC“the file starts with 195”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
KNN-fd3bb20e5a5a
Lt-Col
Claim A affirms not exhausting all avenues; Claim B asserts he had exhausted all avenues — directly opposed on same act.
Day 113Colonel Jacob“Yes.”
Day 113Colonel Jacob“I had exhausted all avenues”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
NLI-21652728b2f4
CJC244
Same entity CJC244 classified as both an exhibit and a statement of the inquiry; mutually exclusive document types.
Day 113Adv Sello SC“part of CJC244, Exhibit – ja, Exhibit number CJC244”
Day 142Adv Sikhakhane“It is part of the statements of the inquiry.”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
NLI-31a1af36667d
Mr. Shadrack Sibiya
Claim A calls him Brigadier; Claim B implies General rank as Deputy National Commissioner—incompatible ranks for same person.
Day 113Colonel Jacob“This is Brigadier Sibiya”
Day 141Advocate Baloyi SC“Would be Sibiya, would be General Sibiya”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
NLI-32645f179fb4
Lt-Col
A says normally the acting commander should take charge during leave; B says it's routine for the person on leave to follow up themselves—directly opposed.
Day 113Colonel Jacob“in the normal course of things, no, it would be prudent to let the acting Commander take charge of that”
Day 113Colonel Jacob“It happens all the time. You are on leave, you started a certain process, now you need to follow up. It is only you who can do it, so the leave does n”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
NLI-78c08e60eb09
Lt-Col
Calling compliance 'debatable' contradicts affirmatively agreeing sampling does not comply with the prescript.
Day 113Colonel Jacob“I think it is debatable, Commissioner”
Day 113Colonel Jacob“Prescript, yes”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
NLI-8bbf1cc430ce
Lt-Col
A disputes the refusal claim while B agrees Perumal refused; both cannot be true of same event.
Day 113Colonel Jacob“I dispute that, Commissioner.”
Day 113Colonel Jacob“Yes.”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
NLI-8cf97023e668
Lt-Col
He denies telling him about planned break-in, yet says he relayed the same thing about an attempted break-in—both can't be true.
Day 113Colonel Jacob“I did not say that to him at all that people are planning to break into Port Shepstone, not at all”
Day 113Colonel Jacob“I relayed the exact same thing to him”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
NLI-9bf4c3cf5190
Lt-Col
Same entity directly claims both having exhausted all avenues and, factually, not having done so.
Day 113Colonel Jacob“Factually, no, sir.”
Day 113Colonel Jacob“I had exhausted all avenues”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
NLI-b8cdc47761e4
Colonel Gavin Jacobs' statement
Same statement: one claim says it reflected only one reason, the other says several reasons mentioned; cannot both be true.
Day 113Colonel Jacob“my statement only reflected one point”
Day 113Adv Khumalo SC“in his statement before the Commission, there are several reasons mentioned, starting from paragraph 19”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
NLI-c1dc74c6a7f5
Lt-Col
Claiming both not seeing what he included and being aware of what he wrote in the same document cannot both be true.
Day 113Colonel Jacob“you said you did not see what he included in that document”
Day 113Colonel Jacob“Yes, Commissioner.”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
NLI-e08a9cde20de
CHC container, 14 Avenue East, Durban Harbour
A says 999 was not at CHC Depot, B says it was; same referent, cannot both be true
Day 113Colonel Jacob“the 999, as far as I recall, was not at the CHC Depot, but I could be mistaken”
Day 113Adv Sello SC“It was at the CHC Depot”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
NLI-fc15cc682a81
SAP83A
A allows completing SAP83A when exhibits never went for analysis; B says lab accepts SAP83A only when it possesses exhibits—mutually exclusive.
Day 113Colonel Jacob“if your exhibits have not gone for analysis... and you realise, okay, my case is going nowhere, there is no suspect, then you can also complete that S”
Day 113Colonel Jacob“The SAP83A, only when the lab has possession of your exhibits, that is when they accept an 83A.”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
NLI-fd3bb20e5a5a
Lt-Col
Same person claims to have exhausted all avenues while evidence indicates avenues were not exhausted; cannot both be true.
Day 113Colonel Jacob“Yes.”
Day 113Colonel Jacob“I had exhausted all avenues”

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