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Day 139

1 July 2026

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Who testified

Subjects discussed

🏛 Investigative Directorate Against Corruption (IDAC)👤 Fadiel Adams👤 Adv Mahlape Sello SC👤 Major General ZM Mkhwanazi👤 Chief Perumal🏛 Judicial Commission of Inquiry into Criminality, Political Interference and Corruption in the Criminal Justice System👤 Advocate Sesi Baloyi, SC🏛 IPID case intake committee

17 conflicts flagged on this day

◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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Investigative Directorate Against Corruption
Both claims assert the mandate source for IDAC but cite different NPA Act sections (7(1)(A) vs 1(A)); cannot both be the sole source.
Day 144Advocate Andrea Johnson“That mandate is set out in section 7(1)(A) of the NPA Act as amended”
Day 139Colonel Brian Padayachee“section 1(A) of the NPA Act sets out the mandate or it is where the Investigating Directorate obtains its mandate from”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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Supplementary statement by Brian Padayachee
Claim A says page 4 is 5; Claim B says page 5 should be page 3—incompatible orderings of the same pages.
Day 139Chairperson“4 is 5”
Day 139Colonel Brian Padayachee“the page 5 is actually supposed to come …[intervenes]”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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Annexure T — Mkhwanazi affidavit
Same affidavit dated April 2025 by one account but signed 6 January 2025 by document; cannot both be its date.
Day 139Colonel Brian Padayachee“I took General Mkhwanazi's affidavit, I think it probably was in April 2025, which is about two months to three months before that.”
Day 139Adv Baloyi SC“it indicates it was signed on the 6th of January 2025”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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Annexure T — Mkhwanazi affidavit
Claim A dates affidavit 2025-01-06; Claim B dates same affidavit to April 2025. Same document cannot bear both dates.
Day 139Colonel Brian Padayachee“It talks to the day the affidavit was taken”
Day 139Colonel Brian Padayachee“I took General Mkhwanazi's affidavit, I think it probably was in April 2025, which is about two months to three months before that.”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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Annexure T — Mkhwanazi affidavit
Same document cannot be commissioned in both Cape Town and Pretoria; locations are mutually exclusive.
Day 139Colonel Brian Padayachee“Yes”
Day 139Colonel Brian Padayachee“that inference can be drawn”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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Annexure T — Mkhwanazi affidavit
Claim A says affidavit not yet disclosed; Claim B says it is in the disclosed third docket—directly contradictory on disclosure status.
Day 139Colonel Brian Padayachee“That affidavit is in the docket, and I do not think it has been disclosed as yet. It is not disclosed as yet.”
Day 139Colonel Brian Padayachee“it is in the docket that is disclosed to you, the third docket.”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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Investigative Directorate Against Corruption
One says IDAC would not have asked for the dockets; the other says IDAC requested them—same entity, same dockets, incompatible.
Day 146Advocate Johnson“IDAC would not have asked for those dockets”
Day 139Colonel Brian Padayachee“We requested those dockets”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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Annexure T — Mkhwanazi affidavit
Same annexure T described as being in the confidential docket versus the disclosed third docket—mutually exclusive locations.
Day 139Colonel Brian Padayachee“It is in the confidential docket.”
Day 139Colonel Brian Padayachee“it is in the docket that is disclosed to you, the third docket.”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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Investigative Directorate Against Corruption
Both assert the source of IDAC's mandate but cite different sections (7(1)(A) vs 1(A)) of the same NPA Act; cannot both be true.
Day 139Colonel Brian Padayachee“That mandate is set out in section 7(1)(A) of the NPA Act as amended.”
Day 139Colonel Brian Padayachee“section 1(A) of the NPA Act sets out the mandate or it is where the Investigating Directorate obtains its mandate from”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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Fadiel Adams
Same affidavit signing location stated as both Pretoria and Cape Town; cannot both be true.
Day 139Adv Sello SC“Thus done and signed to, at Pretoria, on this, the 6t h day of January 2025”
Day 139Adv Sello SC“this affidavit was sown to before me and the deponent's signature was placed hereon in my presence at Cape Town.”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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NPA Act 32 of 1998
Claim A limits scope to serious/complex corruption; Claim B says any one of three triggers—incompatible about number of triggers.
Day 139Colonel Brian Padayachee“it is just serious and complex corruption”
Day 139Colonel Brian Padayachee“any one of the three”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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NPA Act 32 of 1998
A claims specified offence defined in 7(1); B claims no such definition exists in the Act. Both cannot be true of same Act.
Day 139Adv Baloyi SC“specified offence is the offence in 7(1)”
Day 139Adv Baloyi SC“There is no definition of specified offence in this Act”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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Annexure T — Mkhwanazi affidavit
Same affidavit dated April 2025 in one claim and 6 January 2025 in the other; both cannot be its date.
Day 139Colonel Brian Padayachee“I took General Mkhwanazi's affidavit, I think it probably was in April 2025, which is about two months to three months before that.”
Day 139Adv Baloyi SC“it indicates it was signed on the 6th of January 2025”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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Investigative Directorate Against Corruption
Both claims specify the single mandate source for IDAC but cite different sections (7(1)(A) vs 1(A)); cannot both be true.
Day 139Colonel Brian Padayachee“That mandate is set out in section 7(1)(A) of the NPA Act as amended.”
Day 139Colonel Brian Padayachee“section 1(A) of the NPA Act sets out the mandate or it is where the Investigating Directorate obtains its mandate from”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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Chief Perumal
Claims place Perumal physically in two different cities (Cape Town vs Pretoria) at what appears the same time; cannot both be true.
Day 139Colonel Brian Padayachee“Yes, I believe Chief Investigator Perumal was physically in Cape Town.”
Day 139Colonel Brian Padayachee“In Pretoria, sir.”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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NPA Act 32 of 1998
Definition relies on 7(1) as the source, but 7(1) is deleted—both cannot hold simultaneously for the same provision.
Day 139Adv Baloyi SC“specified offence is the offence in 7(1)”
Day 139Adv Baloyi SC“7(1) has been deleted”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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Investigative Directorate Against Corruption
A frames the docket transfer as a negotiated settlement; B frames it as unilateral legal authority requiring no negotiation—mutually exclusive characterizations.
Day 139Adv Sello SC“is it a negotiated settlement between IDAC and SAPS”
Day 139Adv Sello SC“IDAC asserting its authority that as soon as it receives section 27, the law empowers it to collect the dockets and take charge of the investigation”

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