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Suliman Carim

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Suliman Carim was a participant in matters before the State Capture Inquiry, linked to a loan chain involving Carrim, Mogotsi, and Matlala as well as ANC event payments. During proceedings, his legal representatives argued that Carim faced death threats and surveillance, and that he distrusted the Commission’s staff, fearing his submissions would be disclosed publicly. His lawyers contended that this lack of trust arose from his treatment by the Commission and described repeated attempts to have his concerns addressed urgently. Carim also waived his right to a formal hearing on the matter. The Chairperson noted there was no basis for Carim to believe his statement would not be kept confidential.
913 claims2 scheme(s)11 contradiction(s)
Schemes linked
SC0003PKTT (Political Killings Task Team) disbandmentSC0007Carrim / Mogotsi / Matlala loan chain + ANC event payme
What the record shows (913 total claims — 150 substantive shown)
11 contradictions on the record
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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One claims Carrim defied the ruling, the other says he did not defy the Commission—directly opposing characterisations of same conduct.
Day 73Adv Chaskalson SC“Mr Carrim and his legal team unilaterally took it upon themselves to defy that ruling.”
Day 73Adv Bhana SC“Mr Carrim did not defy the Commission in not producing the statement.”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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A asserts Carrim defied the ruling; B asserts there was no defiance of the Commission—directly opposing claims about the same conduct.
Day 73Adv Chaskalson SC“Mr Carrim and his legal team unilaterally took it upon themselves to defy that ruling.”
Day 73Adv Bhana SC“there was no defiance of the Commission, and that is incorrect.”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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One claims he has a relationship with the Minister; the other claims no connection or access to the Minister—mutually exclusive.
Day 2Lt Gen Mkhwanazi“he has this relationship with the Minister”
Day 73Mr Carrim“Yes.”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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One claims a relationship with the Minister exists; the other denies any relationship — directly contradictory about same referent.
Day 2Lt Gen Mkhwanazi“he has this relationship with the Minister”
Day 73Mr Carrim“you have no relationship with the Minister”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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If first call was on the 10th, a call on the 6th cannot exist; the two claims contradict about the earliest contact date.
Day 73Mr Carrim“Yes.”
Day 73Mr Carrim“I called him first on the 10th, right on the top.”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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A states he accepts being called to assist; B states he is not a witness coming to assist—directly opposed on same role.
Day 74Adv Baloyi SC“he accepts that he is being called to come and assist us to determine the facts”
Day 74Adv Baloyi SC“That, to me, is not a witness who is coming to assist the Commission”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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Claim A says he's too sick (hospitalized) to appear; Claim B says he was fit enough to travel abroad—both cannot hold together.
Day 126Adv Chaskalson SC“He tends to get hospitalized just as his appearances before this Commission are scheduled”
Day 126Adv Chaskalson SC“fit enough to travel outside of the country”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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A asserts a relationship with the Minister; B denies any relationship exists—cannot both be true simultaneously.
Day 73Mr Carrim“I have been branded as an enabler due to my relationship with the Minister”
Day 73Mr Carrim“you have no relationship with the Minister”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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Claim A denies receiving/seeing the letter; Claim B affirms the screenshot acknowledged receipt of that same letter—cannot both be true.
Day 73Mr Carrim“he did not send me this letter. It is just a screenshot. I did not see the letter.”
Day 73Mr Carrim“Yes, I am sure it is that.”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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Same communication with Brown cannot be both a phone call and in person.
Day 73Mr Carrim“I called him”
Day 73Mr Carrim“It was in person”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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A says Carrim defied the ruling; B attributes defiance to 'they', not 'us', contradicting who defied.
Day 73Adv Chaskalson SC“Mr Carrim and his legal team unilaterally took it upon themselves to defy that ruling.”
Day 73Adv Chaskalson SC“they defied that ruling, not us.”