WhatTheySaid.co.za The Madlanga Commission record, in plain language

Day 30

11 November 2025

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Who testified

Subjects discussed

👤 Deputy Commissioner Revo Spies🏛 Ekurhuleni Metro Police Department (EMPD) / the City👤 Dr Imogen Mashazi👤 Jabulani Isaac Mapiyeye👤 Commissioner Julius Mkhwanazi (suspended EMPD/Metro chief; admits payments from Cat Matlala)👤 Adv Mahlape Sello SC🏛 City of Ekurhuleni Metropolitan Municipality👤 Ms Gxasheka (HOD HR)

17 conflicts flagged on this day

◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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Commissioner Julius Mkhwanazi
A says call was not about vetting; B says it was about fingerprint checking/vetting status—same call, contradictory purposes.
Day 30Commissioner Revo Spies“It is not about the vetting.”
Day 30Commissioner Revo Spies“It was about the fingerprints checking that his unit and he has not been checked.”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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Commissioner Julius Mkhwanazi
Same person's rank stated as Commissioner vs Deputy Commissioner; cannot both be true simultaneously.
Day 32Mr Nciza“he is no longer a Brigadier, he is a Commissioner”
Day 30Commissioner Revo Spies“It is Deputy Commissioner Mkhwanazi”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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Commissioner Mzolo
Same acting appointment starting 2023-08-19 but end dates differ (2023-10-02 vs 2023-09-20), cannot both be true.
Day 30Commissioner Revo Spies“He was appointed then to act in Chief Mapiyeye's leave.”
Day 30Commissioner Revo Spies“Commissioner Mzolo was appointed as the Acting Chief of Police from the 19th of August till I think the 20th of September”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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Chief Superintendent Kelebogile Thepa
Same officer described as both not suspended and on suspension; cannot both be true simultaneously.
Day 30Commissioner Revo Spies“Another Chief Superintendent Thipa also have been arrested and not suspended”
Day 33Lt-Col Thepa“you had been on suspension”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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Commissioner Julius Mkhwanazi
A says never vetted; B says vetted at least once (recruit appointment). Both cannot be true of same person.
Day 30Commissioner Revo Spies“He has not been vetted”
Day 30Commissioner Revo Spies“It would have been only during his original appointment as a recruit. That was the only time that it would have been done.”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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Commissioner Julius Mkhwanazi
Same person's rank stated as Commissioner vs Deputy Commissioner; cannot both be true simultaneously.
Day 43Commissioner Mkhwanazi“It is a Commissioner.”
Day 30Commissioner Revo Spies“It is Deputy Commissioner Mkhwanazi”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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Commissioner Julius Mkhwanazi
Same person's rank stated as Deputy Commissioner vs Superintendent; cannot both hold that single rank simultaneously.
Day 30Commissioner Revo Spies“It is Deputy Commissioner Mkhwanazi”
Day 90Adv Sello SC“he introduced himself as Superintendent Julius Mkhwanazi to myself and Etienne”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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Commissioner Julius Mkhwanazi
Same appointment as acting head dated to 2024-12-01 in A but 2023 December in B; cannot both be true.
Day 30Commissioner Spies“on the 1s t of December, he was appointed as the acting head of community safety”
Day 89Commissioner Mkhwanazi“2023 December, yes”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
NLI-1654e18ba63e
Ekurhuleni Metro Police Department
A asserts people are close to the Chief, presupposing a Chief exists; B states there is no Chief of Police—cannot both be true.
Day 30Commissioner Revo Spies“no one else in EMPD and only they are close to the Chief.”
Day 30Commissioner Revo Spies“we do not have a Chief of Police.”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
NLI-17505a5011b6
Jabulani Isaac Mapiyeye
Constant harassment implies continuity, directly contradicting claim that there was no continuity to the acts.
Day 30Commissioner Revo Spies“it was a constant harassment against him”
Day 30Commissioner Revo Spies“there was no continuity that anyone do it”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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Jabulani Isaac Mapiyeye
One source states sick leave, another states suspension for the same absence; mutually exclusive accounts.
Day 30Commissioner Revo Spies“it was then stated at the back end, no, the Chief took sick leave”
Day 30Commissioner Revo Spies“according to my knowledge, he was suspended”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
NLI-8195824cd09f
Ekurhuleni Metro Police Department
Claim A says no funds available; Claim B says allocated budget unspent and returned—funds exist but unused. Cannot both be true.
Day 30Commissioner Revo Spies“No funds but before Covid there was funds.”
Day 43Commissioner Mkhwanazi“when you sit at oversight, they will tell you that you do not spend, see, we do not spend how, you see. All the budget that is allocated to EMPD is go”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
NLI-9240e56e7903
Dr Imogen Mashazi
One denies any direct/functional link to Mkhwanazi; the other asserts she had close links to him—same referents, mutually exclusive.
Day 30Mr Nciza“you would not have a direct link, functional link between Mashazi and Mkhwanazi”
Day 32Mr Xolani Nciza“It is Mashazi that had these close links to Mkhwanazi”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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Deputy Commissioner Revo Spies
Same person Stella Jokazi: A says never seen her at all, B says saw her a month later in uniform—cannot both be true.
Day 30Commissioner Spies“I have not seen her at all”
Day 30Commissioner Spies“I saw her approximately a month later when she was already in uniform, wearing field dress uniform”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited
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Commissioner Julius Mkhwanazi
A calls him a director (senior role); B explicitly denies his position was senior management level—directly contradictory about same rank.
Day 30Mr Nciza“he was a director, a brigadier in the Metro Police Department”
Day 31Mr Nciza“Brigadier Mkhwanazi's position was not that senior management level you are speaking to”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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Jabulani Isaac Mapiyeye
Same leave characterized as 'sick leave' (back end) vs 'special leave' for six weeks; cannot both be the leave type.
Day 30Commissioner Revo Spies“it was then stated at the back end, no, the Chief took sick leave”
Day 30Adv Sello SC“the Chief was placed on special leave for a period of about six weeks”
◎ Likely — AI-assisted, cited◆ Cross-witness
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Ms Gxasheka
One claim states Gxasheka killed/stopped the process; her own statement denies stopping it—directly contradictory on same act.
Day 30Commissioner Revo Spies“this process has been killed and stopped by Gxasheka from HR.”
Day 69Ms Linda Gxasheka“I did not stop the process”

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